Where Are America's True Statesmen? Hard Truths on U.S. Politics with Jeremy Adams

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Unknown
Well, now that the election's over and after a well fought battle between both sides, I guess it's okay to just finally admit that. Yeah. Project 2025 is the plan. That's always been the plan. Every illegal. It's going back to Mexico. We're bringing out a flock of handmaidens. Every single pregnancy is being brought to term, and we're putting Elon Musk at the top of the government.

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Unknown
And he's going to fire every single lazy DMV worker, just like he did at Twitter. And of course, I'm kidding. But if you've been anywhere near TV in the last 48 hours, you might have actually believed what I just said. We have very different viewpoints on many things, but a lot of these issues are American issues. They're not Republican or Democrat issues.

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Unknown
So we're here today with Jeremy Adams, an author and teacher and a guest we've actually previously had on. And we talked about his book Lessons in Liberty. But today we're here to talk about the craziness of this election season. And, well, where do we go from here? Jeremy, we're so glad to have you back on Elevated Thoughts.

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Unknown
How are you doing? After somewhat of a whirlwind of a night? You know what? I have the advantage of being in the Pacific Coast time. So, you know, I didn't have to stay up til one in the morning or two in the morning. It's always kind of easier for us here in the West Coast. So, you know, I mean, honestly, I didn't need to watch it get called.

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Unknown
I think, you know, one of the things that's really obvious is, you know, the the the the, you know, we have the Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania has the same kind of voters, you know, largely the same demographics. So when you kind of see they're all going the same way, you kind of see the writing on the wall.

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Unknown
So I didn't need to stay up that late to kind of know what was going to happen. I think, you know, we turned off the news here at around 10 p.m., we put on a movie and then went to bed and just must have been divine intervention. I opened my eyes. It happened to be 2:30 a.m. and all of the tweets coming in were he's one, he's done it.

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Unknown
He's coming on stage. And I think for you it must have been around midnight for him. It was around 3 a.m. and, he delivered some remarks after winning. It was very interesting to see, especially in these swing states where so many billions and billions of dollars were poured into these election races to have what I'm calling a pretty decisive victory.

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Unknown
It exposes what I and of course, I'm wearing the hat. I'm the right wing pundit on the show, but it exposes the fact that the polls, the media, the institutions, all of this stuff can be trumped by just the population coming out and casting their vote. And I'm really thinking that's what happened. I have not seen. And Mike, maybe you can correct me too much of calls of election interference, misinformation.

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Unknown
Have you seen much of that? There's some funny business that went on in Fulton County. I don't know if you're familiar. I think, 32 incidents of, either false or unverified bomb threats. But either way, largely it's not swinging the margins anywhere. I mean, you're talking every demographic group, you're talking key swing states. You're talking just across the electoral map.

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Unknown
Democrats resoundingly lost. And I could just I was just joking with you in the free show lobby there. I know what a Democrat feels like now after the Reagan election. It was a walloping last night. And it's an important time for a postmortem, you know, to really go through with the Democratic Party is going to be honest, a lot of, you know, and we can get into that later.

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Unknown
A lot of causes and blaming being assigned yet. But I think there's a lot of structural failures just showing, you know, just across the board, problems in all the demographics. I read a quote by Bernie Sanders that said something like, you know, they abandoned the working class so. Well, the working class abandoned them. The Democrats, that is.

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Unknown
And it does ring true. You look at every single demographic and all of the, you know, almost every single metric went positive towards Trump. So clearly something that he was doing, something that he was saying, maybe some of his policy positions really moved the needle in this election. Jeremy, what was the policies that you were looking at or following, or what were you hearing from some of your students, which is an interesting perspective that you gave us as a high school teacher?

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Unknown
You know, I think what I was looking at, I mean, the thing about the policies was, I mean, we know exactly what Trump's, bread and butter issues are, right? We know it. He's not really that different than he has been for the last eight years. You know, he's talking about America first. He's talking about, you know, making NATO pay their fair share.

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Unknown
And now he's kind of upped his game instead of talking about just protectionism. Now he's talking about tariffs across the border a 5,000% tariff on Chinese goods. You know and again like it just goes over over and over. But like from a from a policy standpoint, we know exactly what what Trump is talking about. I mean, it's illegal immigration.

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Unknown
It's getting people who have committed felonies and, and who are here illegally out of the country. We know what he stands for. What I found very interesting, is that, you know, I have been one of the things about being a teacher is, you know, you can make predictions and you can say, hey, I think this is going to be a thing.

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Unknown
And you guys can hold me to it. You don't have 135 students today, and if I'm full of crap, they will tell me, right? I mean, it's not just my wife and my children who will tell me I'm full of crap. It's, It's my students, right? And so they'll remember. They'll remember he said this and, you know, back in, in September, the second unit of the year we do is called political behavior and socialization.

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Unknown
And it's a, you know, that says, well, what groups in America are typically Republicans who are typically Democrats, who's liberal, who's conservative? And I said there are three groups, three groups that I want to be watching for the day after the election. Number one, Hispanics. Right. There's been a huge suspicion that that demographic is is moving away from the Democratic Party.

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Unknown
Mitt Romney, you will remember in 2012, told people who are here illegally to go deport yourself. And then he lost the Hispanic vote by almost 30 points. You know, and so, you know, I wanted to look at black men, again, if you're a Democrat, you can't get over 90% of the African-American vote. You are toast. And to get one out of five black men in this country would have been huge.

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Unknown
That is exactly what he got. Was 20% of the black male vote. I don't know if you guys saw that ridiculously awkward, weird, painful moment where Kamala Harris tried to go into a barbershop and the dudes just did not want her there. Right, right, right. And then finally, I wanted to see about the Jewish vote because, you know, Jews, typically 70 to 80% Democratic.

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Unknown
And I thought maybe sometimes the lukewarm support for Israel from the Democratic Party would count what kind of cost to them. And so when you ask what I was looking at, two out of those three were significant that, you know, 79% of Jewish Americans voted for Democrats. That didn't change. I was wrong about that. But the other two, especially Hispanics.

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Unknown
Yeah, again, I live out in California, fellas. I used to live in a Republican state in the 80s. In the 90s, right. We had this is the this is the state of of Reagan and Duke, Gin and Schwarzenegger and Pete Wilson. And then all of a sudden in the mid 90s, I lived through this massive shift from a kind of lukewarm red state into a hard blue state.

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Unknown
And so, you know, and I think a lot of that came about because a lot of these proposition that seem to be somewhat hostile to Hispanic Americans. And so I've always kind of been very fascinated with that group. It's getting bigger. It's getting more powerful. They're starting to vote a lot more, and I think that change Donald Trump only lost that vote by less than 10%.

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Unknown
And he won. He won the male Hispanic vote. Absolutely incredible. Again, just 12 years after Mitt Romney was horrendous with that group. Well, it's an absolute tell that the border and the border security is something that weighs heavily on Hispanics in this country. They feel that other people are not getting their fair shake because the others who are coming in illegally are taking those opportunities.

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Unknown
Yeah. So this is this this is just the comparisons. Right? So this is we're looking at the last two races and it's just to the point that we were speaking about is it's a resounding defeat in every demographic. But just specifically Latino men and even Latino women, there weren't really strong strong losses. There weren't strong gains. The only gains she made was marginally amongst white women, black women, and even just maybe 1% by men.

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Unknown
But we'll call that the margin of error. So, you know, this is they they just lost. And every time a graphic they really needed to be performing, and, and we're seeing a huge flip. And then there's another screen that I do want to share. Well, on a more broad level, I would think that. Right. You would you hear from the Democrats that, oh, Hispanics, they're coming over the border.

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Unknown
We need to support them. And this is the way that we're going to do it by leaving the border open. And it created more of a humanitarian crisis. We've talked about it on this show where you have people going through Rio Grande drowning their babies while they're trying to walk over here. That's not safe. That's a humanitarian crisis.

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Unknown
Yeah. I mean, yeah, my my students were actually very clear about this is, I mean, there's this misunderstanding that Hispanics are for an open border. And that is just absolutely not true at all. A lot of Hispanics, you know, came here legally. They didn't cut the line. And a lot of them do resent that.

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Unknown
And not only that, by the way, a lot of my students are from working class backgrounds, and they do not appreciate when you have waves of of cheap labor depressing the labor structure in this economy. And so you can't this idea that this is a monolithic group and all they care about is having an open border is wrong in about 15 different levels.

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Unknown
Not only that, by the way, I also, you know, I will throw this in there and maybe this is a little a little edgier. I do think there is a cultural problem in the Democratic Party when I was a kid, and I'm younger than you, that I'm older than you guys. Sorry. Wishful thinking there. I'm older than you guys.

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Unknown
But I remember when, you know, when cops and firefighters and construction workers were Democrats, hard core Democrats. And I think that what's happened is that the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the universities, by the professors, by the intelligentsia, by Harvard and Berkeley. Again, I'm wearing actually a Berkeley, sweatshirt right now because my daughter goes there.

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Unknown
But I'm sorry. The world of working class Latinos does not want to hear the word Latin x or Latin X, right? They don't want to d gender their language. It's patronizing. It's annoying. 91% of them don't like it. And yet progressive insist insist on doing it. These are family oriented people, oftentimes very Catholic, very traditional, very entrepreneurial. They don't want an open border.

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Unknown
They don't want to suppress wages. And again, the left is completely lost sight of all that. I don't know if that's too opinionated, but I think that's kind of, in a nutshell. It's baffling that. Mike. Yeah, I talk about it just last week. Right? Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you, from being on the left, I think you really, you know, hit on the head there, that's that's perfectly encapsulating what's going on there is there's this huge disconnect.

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Unknown
I mean, just you look at her underperformance in the popular vote as well, the, the elites that have co-opted the Democratic Party, who clearly are not thinking in the interests of their voters and is just, a very poor turnout as well overall. So you can see the less people showing up also shows a lack of enthusiasm.

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Unknown
So like I said, it's going to be very interesting. I did share a slide a little bit before, but just the the key point there is you look at some of these traditionally blue states like new Jersey, even though it's kind of purple ish, if you want to say. But overall the electoral map is one blue. It's within four points.

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Unknown
It's within four points. It's barely one. You're talking about a potentially red state either in the midterms or by the next presidential election cycle. So that's pretty crazy to be saying. Yeah, I mean, I remember when Chris Christie won that state, he said, you know, I hate I know you guys hate Republicans, but you probably also hate a lot of big government.

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Unknown
So just kind of hold your noses and vote for me. You know, the thing I would say is last night and of course, you know, I can, you know, I can always say, oh, I knew I, you know, but I will tell you when when he won Florida and again, I wish the whole country would come in.

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Unknown
We're like Florida. Those people coming like lightning fast. When when he won by 12 points in Florida. But in a state where they. He'd only won by five points. And I'm old enough. I remember when Florida was a swing state. I remember the Obama, Romney, the Bush Gore, Bush, Kerry. I mean, those were I mean, the 2000 debacle was around Florida for him to win seven more points, to win some of the counties, that that it got are heavily Cuban, heavily Latino and Hispanic.

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Unknown
I thought, you know what, that's kind of a tell. Nobody expected her to win. She didn't put any resources in there. He's going to win. But a 12 point win. You've got to be kidding me. Something's going on. And then Virginia Virginia was ahead for Trump until like the last 15%. And so you know it's not like you know I didn't have a crystal ball.

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Unknown
But I thought, you know, if these these trends Florida, Virginia, these are big states, you can kind of start to see the demographic of who's turning out. And I kind of thought early on I would much rather be him than her for, for me, I felt deja vu, felt like 2016 all over again. Felt like people talking about how close it is or, you know, it should be her or race to win and I just felt it, you know, like the early totals coming in that she just didn't have a strong enough lead either in the early voting or mail in ballots that typically are leaning so heavily Democrat.

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Unknown
And, I was just you know, pretty much by 1030, my wife will verify this. I don't have don't have it on Twitter, but, by 10:30 p.m., I was sleeping in bed, and I said, we're going to wake up to a Trump presidency tomorrow. I can already see it now. She's not winning in these swing states or even coming close enough to that strong enough margin she had.

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Unknown
So it was just funny to watch a lot of the, you know, the electioneering, you know, folks on all the major media cycles talking about, well, you know, if she could just capture this county here and just capture this county here, and I'm like, this is deja vu in 2016 all over. Yeah. Well, I was holding my breath as a reminder of 2020 saying, oh my God, the blue wave.

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Unknown
Right. The Mail-In ballot proliferation that's going to happen to this. There might be 300,000 blue Mail-In ballots in Philadelphia that come, and it'll take out the whole lead. You know, clearly it clearly shows how unfavorable Democrats were. And to me, again, this is my opinion here, is that that was simply an anti-Trump vote. And I'm and then my bias is that most of my votes the last two election cycles have been anti-Trump.

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Unknown
But, to Jeremy's point about this is there are cultural and structural problems in the Democratic Party that they're just so disconnected from the voting base. And it really reflected in this last election. Well, I beautifully said, and I would say to you too, like, I'm it's kind of, you know, politics in some ways. I it's like for me now watching it is kind of like watching the Super Bowl where I don't, you know, it's fun to watch the game, but I really have either, you know, I don't I don't like either team.

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Unknown
You know, for me it's like watching you know the Patriots play the you know the Eagles or something like I, I don't care. I just like football again I'm not you know I I'm you know I'm not like with either of you guys and I and I am like a really small, you know, kind of where I am, you know, I'm, I'm one of these kind of January 6th Republicans where, you know, I, I don't call her.

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Unknown
Yeah. What about, you know, like, in a good night, like I'm against like I can't, I can't forget January 6th. Oh I see, I see yeah, yeah yeah. No no no no no I did not go to the Capitol. No, no no. I'm somebody who can't. Hey, wait a second. Who looks familiar. Yeah. No no no no, I'm I'm somebody who can't I can't forget that, did I, I can never I could never vote for Trump after that.

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Unknown
You know, there's are some things that I mean, I consider myself to be a conservative. I'm not a populist. You know, I'm in I like institutions. I, I, I have a view of the country that that's much more conservative. I believe in markets and traditional morality. I believe in a written constitution. You know, so the protectionism.

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Unknown
I'm not about the isolationism. I'm not about the populism. I'm not. So I, you know, I don't even know where I am nowadays. Politically, I'm kind of maybe I know really on pop, I'm probably. I was Mitt Romney 12 years ago. Yeah, I probably where I am. But but I do I will tell you though, like if I was a Democrat today, you know, and I'm not a Democrat, I don't I'm not you know, I that's just never been kind of my political social philosophy.

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Unknown
But I would be super pissed not at Kamala Harris. I'd be pissed at Joe Biden in a way that is hard to describe. I would be super. Don't, man. Don't let this smile fool you. I am seething with anger today. I'm just trying to be nice about it and realize that there's more to life than politics, like your book said.

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Unknown
So I'm applying one of the lessons in liberty. Well, then I will be angry for you then, even though I get I'm not. I was not a big Harris fan at all, but but I'll tell you. I mean, like, he undermined her, I would say, in two different ways. I mean, the first way was I do think Trump is still and I know you had a big day yesterday.

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Unknown
He is still broadly unpopular in this country. You know, I know the right is going to want to portray this as a huge mandate, guys. Yeah, 3% change over four years. That's really what happened yesterday. I mean, let's not overdo it. And he did do what he did. Well, but I think a lot of this was also the unpopular the unpopularity of Harris.

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Unknown
And I would tell you, I think there are a lot of Democrats in this country who could have beat him. I think the governor of Pennsylvania could have beaten, I think the governor of Kentucky could have beat him. I think there are senators who are very articulate and moderate who could have beat him. But Joe Biden, because he did better in 2022 than he thought he would do.

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Unknown
You know what always gets us pride, ego, vanity. And he thought, you know what? Hey, I don't have to be this one termer. Maybe. Maybe I am up to. Maybe I'm better, more like than I could be. And so he made it. So you couldn't have a primary season. You couldn't pick the best of the Democratic Party. There are a lot of great Democrats out there with a lot of talent, a lot of skill, and he closed the door on him.

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Unknown
And so I think that's strike number one. And number two, and I know this is going to be kind of a weird thing to say. Because I don't know what happened between Harris and Biden, but, you know, a month ago, if I was Joe Biden, that would have called up and said, you know what? Just blame me for everything.

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Unknown
Just say, you know what? We should have been serious about the border wait earlier and that you would have done it. Say that. You know what? I was worried about unemployment. So we spent too much money. But we won't do that again. Sorry about the inflation. I know what to do this time. Like just blame me. Say you do different guys.

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Unknown
You have a 70% wrong track election, you have a disaffected electorate and you can't be the change candidate. If you have to say, I wouldn't do anything wrong than the current president, you can't do that. And I think if he had said, you know, just blame me, get your distance. I think she still could have won. And I think she was my might have been the weakest candidate of my lifetime.

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Unknown
And I think she's talking to one. If she had a permission structure to just kind of distance herself from him. I mean, those ladies on The View gave her a chance. How would you do things different? And she could have said, I want to do this, this, this and this. Now again, I think she was a very weak candidate.

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Unknown
She was not very good at this. She wasn't good at it. In 2020, she didn't have a long time to practice in her defense. Right. A lot of these people have six months to practice. She didn't really have it and she just wasn't very good at it. So I mean, if I'm a Democrat, I might be mad at Biden.

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Unknown
I do think that there's something positively Shakespearean in the fact that Biden said, I my entire career was about becoming president so I could read the country of this cancer of Donald Trump. And yet, what did his vanity do? It was like a boomerang. It gave it right back to the country. There's something. So yeah. And again, if maybe you like that, maybe you hate that I love it.

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Unknown
I think you nailed it. Yeah. That's perfect. That really got it. Now you nailed it. I looked at a statistic. It was Jake Tapper talking to John King on CNN. And they were in disbelief. They brought up a map showing which counties that Kamala outperformed Biden and comparing 2020, 24. And it was truly zero. It was really done.

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Unknown
Like, not just like literally asked, are there any places that the vice president is Overperforming Joe Biden in 2020? So we can show you that as well. We just bring that out here. Harris Overperforming 2020. Holy smokes. There you go. So let this go away and see if there's anything on the east side there. Literally nothing.

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Unknown
Literally nothing. Literally not one county. Truly great map. No blue. Nothing. Yeah, it was really weird. And it's a testament, though. Where was the primary? Biden was up in there until one week before he fell out to say, I promise you, I'm running. And that that that right there, that was the nail, I mean, and that took and that took a groundswell of of many Democrats and really high up members to really finally say, Joe, you need to step down, you know, talking you know, you know, premier, donors of the party and stuff like that.

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Unknown
What I'm interested to see is and I and I think that Ian Carroll tweet not someone I would ever thought I find myself quoting. But, there's a tweet by him recently and I think it's a it's a really bold move and I appreciate it. Pretty much just saying that this is a moment here for MAGA, if you're to really call yourself the Unity Party to act like it.

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Unknown
Right? Like time to walk the walk, really reach out to your liberal brethren and, you know, not see them as the enemy, but, you know, as just a loyal opposition in this whole political experiment. And I would think that this couldn't be a better opportunity right now. Right now, after such a contested and divisive election is is for some sort of, you know, hands to be held out and olive branches right for aisle crossing to really happen.

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Unknown
And I pray that that does happen over the next four years, something we didn't see the first time around. Mike, I'm with you and I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly, and you and me are a testament to that, right? We're best friends and we do this podcast, but we agree very much on these issues. I mean, I sent out a tweet early this morning and people commented and they were saying, whoa, you woke up with some some fire.

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Unknown
And you know what I did? Because I woke up and I said, if anybody calls me a racist or a misogynist over the next four years, like they have been over the last eight years, I'm going to bring them to court at this point. I'm going to start physically attacking those people because I and slander now. Unbelievable. The amount of times so bright.

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Unknown
We want to bring the temperature down. We want to be governor. We want to govern the whole country. Yet on the news still, we're saying this was a misogynistic move Donald Trump has prevented to women from elevating. It's it's it's garbage. There were policies and then there were not policies that the mainstream media touting around the message about how outraged Puerto Ricans are going to be by the comments that were made, clearly just, you know, kind of emperor has no clothes moment where just shows their complete, you know, out of touch ness with, you know, the American viewership.

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Unknown
They just are trying to lead a narrative clearly structured. That's not really what people are thinking on their minds. And that was reflected in the polls. Yeah. But yeah, I just I'm not not I would not be the one to defend the mainstream media here. I'm not I'm not defending it. But I would say that I think part of the fun of all this is that you really don't know the morning of the election, when it's this close in the polls, what's going to happen?

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Unknown
I mean, like, you know, I mean, to be perfectly honest, I mean, what did Trump do? Well, he did something that really had not been done before, which is he took a bunch of kind of disaffected 21 to 35 year old dudes bro's who watch Joe Rogan, who love UFC fighting, you know, and they they don't typically vote.

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Unknown
They're kind of low propensity voters and he just took that dial and put it on to ten. He's like I'm going to go on. Rogan Vance is going to go on Rogan we're going to get we're going to get Elon Musk on Rogan. You know, I'm going to have, you know, I'm going to have wrestlers introducing me at the RNC convention.

00:22:14:05 - 00:22:34:09
Unknown
He had live streamers like Aidan Ross and the Cowboys, which are really and tapped into that. Yeah, this is very online stuff. Right. And and it was kind of a risk because you know what she was doing, what she's saying. Well, I'm going to really up the dial on, you know, kind of older Gen Z. Kind of younger millennial women who do vote.

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Unknown
Right? Because women do vote more than men. I mean, this really is the gender election. I mean, this is such a stratified election. I mean, like the 2016 election was all about kind of rural America versus urban America, right? That was the big divide, right? We thought it was going to be gender because of the Hillary Clinton thing, but it was actually a rural versus urban thing.

00:22:52:12 - 00:23:10:23
Unknown
This election was gender like crazy. And I mean, I don't know if I've already mentioned this, but like, Hispanic men voted for Trump. You know, especially young men. I mean, like, you know, people kind of make the joke that, like, you're not going to have any babies for ten years because men and women in their 20s are going opposite ways politically.

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Unknown
Right? And nobody wants to. You got to be in the same room to to have children, which, you know, you know, you guys know that because you have kids. But, you know, it is it is really interesting to see how men and women have become so different, politically. And I think that's what the story of this election is going to be.

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Unknown
And again, I just, you know, I think, I think, at the end of the day, I don't like I don't like politics that looks at identity and says, well, I'm gonna do this for that subgroup, and then I'm going to do that for that group and for, you know, gay Latin men from the northeast. I'm going to do that.

00:23:45:22 - 00:24:05:13
Unknown
And for a white rural farmer, I don't like that. Guys, I will be honest. I love what you were talking about when you said, you look, it's the time to come together. You know, it's Lincoln talked about, you know, appealing to the better angels of our nature, about the mystic chords of memory. And I just think when we run these elections, it's better off to say, look, my ideas would be good for everybody.

00:24:05:13 - 00:24:22:09
Unknown
I don't care what your skin color is. I don't care what God you worship. I don't care what state you're in. And I kind of hope maybe this is a little bit of the nail in the coffin in this era of of of very stringent identity politics. Because I do think it's corrosive. And I do think at the end of the day, we say we don't want to pit groups around against one another.

00:24:22:14 - 00:24:45:11
Unknown
But I think sometimes that's what happens. Well, you had mentioned another demographic which was, Jewish voters. And I wanted to bring that back to the surface because I watched a video earlier today that explained how one Democrat, this dejected, you know, sad person today was saying how it must have been these Gaza humanitarian supporters that didn't want to go and vote for Kamala because of all the aid to Israel.

00:24:45:15 - 00:25:06:17
Unknown
And they were pointing out that, well, you just turned Gaza to glass by giving Donald Trump the keys. But do you think that the Hamas issue supporting, the Palestinian people, I would have called them Hamas supporters, but the Palestinian people, do you think that weight into people not coming out to vote? Well, I, I, I haven't seen the number of, of, of Jewish voters.

00:25:06:17 - 00:25:30:09
Unknown
But I will tell you that the percentage, I believe the polls had at 79, I mean, like, and I think 8 or 12 years ago it was only at 70. So, you know, that was one of those groups that I thought, hey, you might, you know, Republicans might be able to snag some Jewish voters. And I think, I think Donald Trump thought that, remember, he was talking to a Jewish group a few, a few weeks where he even, you know, made the comment, you know, if I don't win, it's your fault, which I was kind of, you know, he says a lot of weird crap.

00:25:30:09 - 00:25:54:15
Unknown
I know you, you know, I know you like him, but, man, he says a lot of weird things, and I know he does, you know? But but at the end of the day, though, I mean, you get 79% of the vote. I don't think you can really say that. That had much to do with it. I thought it might, like I said, but when you get 79%, I mean, remember almost all American Jews live in big cities, you know, and where you live is probably the best predictor right now of your politics.

00:25:55:12 - 00:26:14:12
Unknown
You know, maybe education's a little more, but, but again, kind of where you live. I mean, if if you live in a country and you know, you have five guns and you go to church twice a week, I mean, you're probably not a Harris supporter, right? And if you, you know, if you're a professor of gender studies at Columbia, you know, you're probably not going to be, MAGA having it very often.

00:26:14:18 - 00:26:36:07
Unknown
Likelihood. So while I don't think it hurt the Jewish vote, I think it certainly did affect, you know, the Democrats turnout overall, or rather, why men, you know, went to the Republican Party. I just ultimately think that they were trying to thread this needle between managing the progressive wing of the party, the far left, and then the, you know, the more moderate center that has been typically pro-Israel.

00:26:36:10 - 00:26:57:01
Unknown
And you just couldn't do it. You couldn't manage both. He couldn't have two dogs in the race like that. They just divided the vote in my mind. And as we learned, is that the progressives don't show up in strong enough numbers to really turn these elections like they expected them to. Well, I think that's an interesting point. And I think it was also kind of interesting while this was I mean, I think she made a colossal mistake picking Tim Walz.

00:26:57:01 - 00:27:12:03
Unknown
I think looking I mean, that's one of these things that, you know, at the time, it's pretty evident now. It's very Josh Shapiro is doing today. Well, that's exactly what I think. Josh, I think Josh Shapiro is in the lead for the 2028 nomination, right? I mean, I think there's a lot that's good about him. You know, I don't know how much she lost Pennsylvania by in the end.

00:27:12:03 - 00:27:32:02
Unknown
Was it 2 or 3 points something like that. Yeah. It was it was only about 2%. So it's not this this huge swing, as I said, but I don't think she should have carried Tim Waltz's state a lot more. So, you know, it was such an important contribution to the ticket. But I think he, you know, he got selected because he had this thing about how weird, you know, Trump and Vance are weirdos like they're oddballs.

00:27:32:02 - 00:27:43:15
Unknown
Right. And and I think, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I mean, all his baggage, I don't you know, they didn't have a long time to do a background check. So, you know, the drinking and driving and the, you know, I was at Tiananmen Square, maybe I wasn't or, you know, here's my service record.

00:27:44:03 - 00:28:07:17
Unknown
And he just got trounced by Vance in the debate, you know, and, and I think that, you know, I think I think her finest moment, I think she trounced Trump in the debate. So I, you know, that's just the way it is. But I think my broader point, though, is that even though, you know, we kind of had this moment where like, oh, the Republicans are weirdos, I think Trump was very effective with the kind of middle America, you know, the person who's just kind of average, maybe a bachelor's degree, maybe in a they have a normal job.

00:28:07:21 - 00:28:30:01
Unknown
And he had that ad where he said, you know, they had him talking about, you know, I believe that, you know, the government should pay for, you know, gender reassignment surgery for people here illegally in prison. And I think that normal voters like, what are you talking about? You know, the ad that he had, that other one worked like, you know, where Trump and said, you know, she is for they Trump is for you.

00:28:30:03 - 00:28:45:22
Unknown
You know, and I think that kind of that sense like these people have kind of a university lounge worldview, you know, that Kamala Harris is a, you know, kind of a person of Northern California. And she never learned to kind of get beyond that kind of ecosystem of politics where, you know, you're a San Francisco, you're Bay area.

00:28:45:22 - 00:29:03:20
Unknown
This is what we think up here. She never really figured out how to relate to. I think, you know, the construction worker in Wisconsin, or the person who, who, you know, has an oil job in Pennsylvania. And I think that the Trump campaign really said these are kind of weird people. You know, at the end of the day, walls can call us weird, but kind of look at the way he talks.

00:29:03:20 - 00:29:20:08
Unknown
Look at their belief system. That's very, very odd. And I think, by the way, I think to your kind of typical middle aged, you know, Hispanic, Catholic church going person who has 2 or 3 kids, it's just weird. It's just weird to them. And I think that they did a good job kind of flipping that script a little bit.

00:29:20:13 - 00:29:42:12
Unknown
It should have been pretty alarming for Democrats. I believe it was the Teamsters union when half of their members are reportedly voting for Trump. You know, typically your bread and butter is a Democratic voter, right? A union worker. But you know that, like I said, that was the writing on the wall. And then, like I said, some of the early the voting that was, showing up on the polls and I thought it was pretty much the story was written before I fell asleep at 1030 eastern.

00:29:42:14 - 00:30:04:00
Unknown
Well, I mean, I again, I don't know if I mentioned that you guys are not. I mean, but like, I talk about like, I, when I was growing up, how cops were, you know, Democrats and. Right, right. And I think that, you know, I think a lot of the rhetoric about like, you know, abolish the police, you know, or, you know, like, like, like out here in California, we we decided that, you know, as long as you steal less than $700 worth of goods, right, right.

00:30:04:00 - 00:30:28:14
Unknown
That, that really we're being really progressive and understanding and compassionate, you know, and out here in California, we had this prop, prop 36, which refers to that guy. I live in, this liberal oasis, 70% said yes to that proposition. Like, let's like we're tired of the crime. We're tired of the homelessness, you know? And at the end of the day, I think what the left does sometimes, is, is that they, they say things, but it it doesn't hook the elite of their party.

00:30:28:14 - 00:30:46:09
Unknown
It hurts the working class of their party. Right. So you say, for an open border, you know, I'm for asylum for everybody. Well, that hurts the wages of of middle and lower class workers. You say abolish the police. Well, you can say that you live in a gated community, but that hurts poor people who are people of color, who live in these areas, who need to be able to call the cops.

00:30:46:15 - 00:31:01:14
Unknown
Right? Right. So those are those are the folks who are not saying defund the police, right? They're holding more cops on their rights just for presence of security. Yeah. Oh, when you say things like you can feel up to $700, well, you're taking away people's jobs because nobody's going to want to stay. No business is going to stay in that community.

00:31:01:14 - 00:31:16:14
Unknown
So like, I just think that the left sometimes, you know, we talk about virtue signaling. I think sometimes they, you know, they're listening to, you know, the college professors and they're not listening to kind of mainstream working America. I mean, you know, and like, I just think there's a lot of nuttiness that happened in the last 3 or 4 years.

00:31:16:14 - 00:31:31:17
Unknown
And the rhetoric on the left, there's a there's a lot of, you know, internal validity problems. There's too much focus group testing and not really getting out there. And, you know, talking to the average worker or the average folks, you know that. Because like I said, that's clearly what showing up in the demographics is just this massive disconnect.

00:31:31:19 - 00:31:51:02
Unknown
So I think the point I want to see maybe some of your insights, Jeremy, is what do you see now? See kind of your your group of Republicans, you know, perhaps that I don't want to just box you in just because we don't exist anymore. Yeah, I know, but but that like the neo cons be you the Mitt Romney's, you know, the free traders, etc., the Bush, you know, era Republicans from just the time ago.

00:31:51:04 - 00:32:10:17
Unknown
You saw a lot of them hitching their wagon to Kamala Harris, you know, were coming out and publicly endorsing and stuff like that. Where do they go in this next election? And do the Democrats try to now maybe push towards like a a John F Kennedy style Democrat, perhaps to take that legacy back? Yeah. No, I don't know, like where I am because I always say that I'm, you know, I'm a conservative, right?

00:32:10:17 - 00:32:38:17
Unknown
I'm kind of a more conservative on things. And it used to be the Republican Party that, represented those values and put it into policy. You know, and I think that sometimes and this is just, I'm just gonna pontificating here. You asked me what I think. I think that sometimes a lot of the blessings, that have happened in the post-World War Two order, we forget about, you know, and I think we take it for granted that, you know, we have a free, open system of a globalized rules, that it's our Navy that patrols the sea lanes.

00:32:38:21 - 00:32:56:18
Unknown
It's we're the ones who keep the peace all over the world. There's a reason why, you know, Russia isn't knocking on Poland's door. There's a reason why I ran that isn't being too hostile. There's a reason why China hasn't. Hasn't, attacked Taiwan. And it's because the United States. America. And are we so naive as to believe that if we pull back and lean back, they're not going to step in?

00:32:56:22 - 00:33:15:15
Unknown
And do we really want a world forged with their rules and their values? So, you know, I do believe in any kind of strong, highly engaged foreign policy. I don't know where that is anymore. I don't know which party believes that. You know, I don't believe in tariffs. I mean, anybody who knows econ one on one knows tariffs are solving inflation with tariffs.

00:33:15:15 - 00:33:36:15
Unknown
Guys, it's like taking a an alcoholic and saying I want to talk about your drinking problem. Let's go to the bar. Yeah. So the Biden administration already solved inflation. So the tariffs are really to prevent the globalism okay. And that's a joke. It's only half a joke. Yeah. But but the globalism thing fellas I mean like again at the end of the day Trump put all of these tariffs on a specific industries in 2016.

00:33:36:17 - 00:33:55:16
Unknown
Biden kept them on. And we can go back eight years and say did those jobs come back. No it doesn't work. This is where I feel disinfected. We actually have way more common ground than you might think. Jeremy. I might be a Democrat, but I'm an industrialist by nature, right? I may be preaching, you know, the importance of climate change, but I come from my moniker, recycle.

00:33:55:16 - 00:34:11:16
Unknown
Mike. I'm a third generation scrap metal, you know, an electronics recycler, right? So, so this is this is, you know, like, important to me. And I agree with you. This is like where I find, when you talk about policy, that's where things start to go over people's heads. So really now I think the conversation for both parties is to discuss the perception.

00:34:11:16 - 00:34:28:09
Unknown
How do I, you know, appeal to these voters that, you know, is what they perceive and what they feel. And it's not necessarily these, you know, as you said, you know, that's great that you have this research and data from this, you know, research institute and think tank, but it's just not what people are feeling. And that's what they're going to, you know, vote for I want it.

00:34:28:09 - 00:34:56:13
Unknown
Time comes. Jeremy. Well, like this, there was a statistic we shared on one of our previous episodes, and it was something along the lines of Kamala Harris had to avoid talking about the border and talking about the economy in broad terms. But if she talked about dreamers or separating kids and detention, the specifics like that, or if she talked about, you know, child tax credit or warranting, black men, crypto investments, you know, those were the specifics that would appeal to the emotional base.

00:34:56:16 - 00:35:14:04
Unknown
But again, it's like this. We're going to give all of these different groups, these different little segments of something. And then actually the couple, policies that she came that people really liked and they were freaking recycled from Trump. No tax on tips. Bigger child tax credit. You know, all of this fund, the border that became a big thing for her.

00:35:14:04 - 00:35:34:03
Unknown
Now, why didn't we pass the border bill? Well, we know it's. Yes, but I mean, again, if you really want kind of like I mean, those are great points. And I think kind of if you really want my conservatism coming through right now, I'll tell you which party is talking about the $32 trillion debt, who is talking about the fact that we owe we have a deficit of 1 to $2 trillion a year.

00:35:34:05 - 00:35:50:16
Unknown
Nobody's talking about that. I mean, Trump is talking about more tax cuts. I mean, guys, I would love a tax cut. I know you can you can argue Elon Musk is though Department of Government efficiency Doge. And truly I mean hey, we joke right? I said in the opener and I am joking. I don't think we could fire half the government or 75%.

00:35:50:16 - 00:36:05:14
Unknown
And although it did work on Twitter, you got to go see what's happening. It's amazing on that app. Yeah, but I disagree. But so if you get rid of some of the glut though and that is a big part of what this platform is, right? I believe that you aren't going to be standing in that white House for quite a bit.

00:36:05:15 - 00:36:24:08
Unknown
You tell me which president, in the last 40 years has actually been able to reduce the size of the federal bureaucracy. There was one president who did at one time, for a few years. Who was it? You know, it was I don't it was Bill Clinton in the late 90s. And he did it for just a few years, and then it just exploded again.

00:36:24:08 - 00:36:43:00
Unknown
All we talk about is cutting more taxes. And again, in theory, I like a limited government. But guys, at the end of the day, you've got to deal with the unfunded liability crisis in Social Security and Medicare. How do you fix that? You spend less, you tax more, you raise the age. None of those things are popular. None of those things get you elected.

00:36:43:01 - 00:36:57:19
Unknown
But somebody has to be the adult in the room. And no party is talking about that right now. All we want to do is, again, I think, great not to tax kids. Great, I love it. Who's going to pay for the roads and the bridges and the military and the social? I mean, who's going to pay for this guys?

00:36:57:19 - 00:37:17:18
Unknown
And so I just we need to be honest. Yeah. We're not we need to have some hard conversations and maybe that's maybe hopeful. Me as a Democrat is this is where they seized that opportunity. Because at the end of the day, the issues will matter. We do have to balance this budget again. There's been really no good presidents on increasing average wage, you know, growth over the number of years.

00:37:17:18 - 00:37:39:08
Unknown
So and until someone actually addresses these, like the debt, like you said before, or getting this prosperity to actually trickle down to that middle class that everyone loves to talk about, to get elected, but then forget about the moment that they do, it's really going to come to roost eventually. Yeah. And like I said before, I just think that the kind of the long term drivers of our, of our debt are going to be a serious and I think it's a moral problem.

00:37:39:08 - 00:38:00:01
Unknown
I mean, if you think about it, when you run a deficit every year, all you're doing is just admitting you're going to raise taxes on a population that can't even vote yet. And what is that? What is the cardinal virtue of democracy? Consent. I give my voice and my consent to these people governing me. But when you borrow so much money, you're just putting tomorrow's tax burden on a generation that didn't vote for this.

00:38:00:05 - 00:38:14:16
Unknown
And by the way, didn't is not going to get any kind of government profligacy or any kind of, you know, the kind of government programs that we have because are going to be mired in debt. It's just it is immoral. It's wrong. And I just don't think I mean, again, you know, democracy would be like law. It's the billionaires.

00:38:14:16 - 00:38:34:09
Unknown
Just just tax your way out of it. You can't tax your way out of it, you know, and Republicans will be like, cut, cut, cut. Well, again, there's no history of us being able to do that. And that's not popular. So I challenge I challenge anybody to actually go through the budget. And I say to everybody who wants to talk about slashing $1 trillion off the budget, I say, go through the budget and tell me which programs that you would cut.

00:38:34:14 - 00:38:49:02
Unknown
And people love to talk about foreign aid. And I was like, do you know what the USAID? But it's like $50 billion out of the, you know, multi-trillion dollar budget, and we have a $6 trillion budget that we spend. If you cut all $50 billion, they're not even going to notice it from a rounding error. That's exactly right.

00:38:49:04 - 00:39:15:02
Unknown
When you talk about the deficit, people are like, oh, well, let's talk about this program on welfare or this or that, guys, something like, I don't know the exact statistic, but like 80 to 90% of the federal outlays are on for things social Security, Medicare, defense. And now interest on the debt, not the debt. Interest on the interest payments, which just the interest payments, which, by the way, if you're worried about inflation, if you're worried about devaluing the dollar, if you're worried about high interest rates, got to worry about that too.

00:39:15:06 - 00:39:36:14
Unknown
And so, you know, for serious we've got to talk about those things. Gotcha. Well we're thrilled with what's happening with Bitcoin. That's for sure. Yeah that'll solve all of our problems. Yeah. We'll just we'll dollar size Bitcoin and then we should be good I don't understand that. And and I think I'm just like showing my age like I I've watched videos I've had teenagers explain it I, I don't I don't get it I just don't understand it.

00:39:36:14 - 00:39:52:04
Unknown
So the the answer is that it lies in the complexity. And no one being able to properly, you know, explain it, that that's the inherent value of the time. I'm not going to let that slide. But this isn't a Bitcoin episode. So weird. Unfortunately, you have to educate me at some point on it because I just I'm not against it.

00:39:52:06 - 00:40:14:13
Unknown
I just don't understand it. Yeah, well I'll tell you this though, when we do head into World War three and the Chinese cut out all of our internet and power, we definitely won't be accessing our bitcoin when that happens. Yeah, I don't know about electronics. Well, it's going to be very helpful. Right. So so now that we have presumably I think the house is still being deliberated, but we're going to have a no triad and aligned House Senate executive and actually a judiciary as well.

00:40:14:18 - 00:40:32:04
Unknown
And I'm curious if you guys think that this will actually solve some of these problems. Hey, maybe we can have a real to talk about Social Security. And even if it might be the Republicans way of pushing a policy through or a plan, maybe at least this will be a way to get out of this grinded to a dead halt.

00:40:32:04 - 00:40:52:20
Unknown
Like, do you think that at all this is a positive that we have, an aligned government now, you guys, I, I can give you. But you want a positive or negative answer. I can give you the one where you start with the bad news. I guess it's going to be too extreme, right? Yeah. I mean, again, I kind of always go back, you know, you know, you guys read the book, you see, you know, I'm like, I'm enamored with the founding fathers and and founding ideas and all of that.

00:40:53:02 - 00:41:13:19
Unknown
And I would tell you that I'm not very hopeful of that, because I think that the way that people are, the way that we elect our leaders nowadays into the House and the Senate, these are not the people that James Madison had in mind. These, you know, traditional citizen legislators, where people who were there who saw themselves as representing the interests of their district and state, but also as agents of the institution in the nation itself.

00:41:14:01 - 00:41:35:01
Unknown
And so they understood what this is a diverse country, you know, read your Federalist paper, number ten. It's all about pluralism and diversity. And so to get things done, I have to compromise. I have to find coalitions. I have to create consensus in order to move the ball of progress forward. And that means that I have to vote yes on a bunch of things that I think are 90% crap in order to get the 10% good.

00:41:35:03 - 00:41:59:13
Unknown
Well, I think what we've done nowadays we have elected, especially in the House, people who are there to be famous, people who are there to give speeches, people who are there to be outrageous, people who are there to be provocateurs. And they think that if you actually are working for the other side, that you are, you know, you're a rhino or you're a sellout or you're a globalist or you're, you know, you're a you're part of a deep state or whatever it is.

00:41:59:15 - 00:42:17:23
Unknown
Right? The swamp, it's like brought that is your damn job. You're supposed to talk to the other side, even if it hurts, even if you dislike them. And so my negative answer would be, I don't have a lot of faith in the quality of the human beings in Congress. Not that they're bad people, but the way that they look at their job is not what you know.

00:42:17:23 - 00:42:36:20
Unknown
Hamilton talked about men and women of a continental reputation. Right. And the that's their function is to is to kind of use that to, to build consensus. And I don't see that happening because they would rather go on to Fox or MSNBC and be famous and be outraged than to actually shake the hand with somebody who they disagree with in order to get a little bit of a job done.

00:42:36:20 - 00:42:59:13
Unknown
So I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but I'm kind of pessimistic. No, no, I agree. Yeah, I agree kind of wholeheartedly with you there. I don't have much faith in my Democrats not seizing on this opportunity for a resistance movement. Part two. You know, it's it's just too tempting. You know, the first thing that you learn after your, you know, formality of the orientation process when you become a member of Congress, is that your first assignment?

00:42:59:13 - 00:43:25:05
Unknown
And then from that day on or forward, is simply fundraising. You are fundraising day in and day out every single day until you get elected. The next time your staff does the majority of the work and the think tanks and the lobbyists do the rest of the thinking for you, and you just go vote according to that. And I'm being very generalized and hyperbolic, like in a lot of ways, but it's unfortunately the way we select for our leaders, like you said, is these aren't people who look at themselves as statesmen and women, you know, to do the job.

00:43:25:05 - 00:43:42:18
Unknown
That's been the honor that's been given to them. You know, it's really a it is a career. I want to become a politician because of how I could leverage that in the future. And not really. You know, I'm here to compromise and figure out what's best for the American people. So I just don't have faith in Democrats, you know, being workable because we have a blueprint for it.

00:43:42:18 - 00:43:58:07
Unknown
We either be the filibuster or just the, you know, the way the minority Republicans acted during the Obama terms. There's a lot of way to logjam Congress to get things not done if they want it to be that way. I mean, look what happened to look what happened to Kevin McCarthy. Right? Kevin McCarthy was actually my congressman. Right?

00:43:58:07 - 00:44:15:12
Unknown
Right. Yeah. And, you know, Kevin McCarthy was the speaker of the House. And what do they get mad at him for doing his job because you had this, you know, freedom Caucus that wouldn't go along with the bill. And he needed to get the bill passed. We needed to get the budget passed. So he said, okay, I'll go to Democrats if I have to.

00:44:15:12 - 00:44:31:01
Unknown
I don't want to. And so what do you do? You went to Democrats in the same institution to get a bill passed because you wouldn't help out. And so what do we do? We remove them. Right. And I want to remind everybody the things that they don't like for the last several years were passed by a Republican Congress.

00:44:31:01 - 00:44:45:10
Unknown
The speaker of the House on many times had to go to Democrats to get things done. So if you don't like that Ukraine funding bill, you could look towards Mike Johnson. He's the one who plugged it in there and kept it there. When I think I think everybody's like different on the filibuster to right like like like, you know, Democrats hated the filibuster.

00:44:45:10 - 00:45:00:02
Unknown
We need to get rid of the filibuster. And now they're going to love the filibuster. You know, they're going to win, but you're going to want to you know, they're going to have those cloture votes every day of the week. And, you know, and twice on Sunday, and I kind of, you know, kind of the sadistic, you know, awful part of me.

00:45:00:05 - 00:45:17:23
Unknown
You know, what I kind of wanted yesterday, the political science teacher in me, I wanted Trump to win the popular vote and Kamala to win the the Electoral College. So everybody would have to be a phony. So every would have to be like, you know, everybody who's, like, hated the electoral, like their brains were like, freaks out on MSNBC, and CNN.

00:45:18:01 - 00:45:36:03
Unknown
They'd have to be like, well, I take back everything I've said since 2015. Yeah, that Electoral College, you know, it's a time honored institution that we need to protect, you know? Right. Of course they would change your tune pretty quick. Like, really fast. Really fast. Exactly. Yeah. I was seeing memes online, talking about the Amish in Pennsylvania.

00:45:36:07 - 00:45:55:07
Unknown
Someone says 80,000 Amish came out of the woodwork to vote for Donald Trump. And that's what swung the tide in Pennsylvania. Did you guys hear that? I did not know that. I mean, what if they had what did they do? I assume they had to have paper ballots. So I love these incidents like this because it always gives me an opportunity to learn a weird fact.

00:45:55:07 - 00:46:15:08
Unknown
I learned the phrase Amish taxi because there's certain different interpretations amongst the different communities of Amish about whether they can be in a car if someone else is giving them a ride or not, if that kind of counts. So there is a way that like kind of a loophole some communities, you know, see it as an Amish taxi is just having someone else give you a lift somewhere else, just your buddy who is not, you know, an Englishman, as they call them.

00:46:15:15 - 00:46:34:02
Unknown
So I thought that was pretty funny. Gotcha. I did not know we were like, microtargeting quite that much. You know, to try and win that Pennsylvania vote. But that's, you know, if you can do it, do it. Well, hey, I also heard some insider information. We know that Donald Trump in 2020 had a phone call with Brad Raffensperger and said, find me 11,000 votes.

00:46:34:04 - 00:46:52:05
Unknown
Kamala has been begging. She only needs 135,000 in the state. Maybe Raffensperger can find that many for her, too. Yeah, but come on, man, we're just we're just talking about, I mean, that phone call. So let me ask you a question. Like, does that bother you when you listen to that phone call? I honestly, I, I've talked so much about that phone call specifically.

00:46:52:05 - 00:47:09:00
Unknown
I've listened to the whole phone call many, many times. I believe that that's another example of media spinning that into something that it wasn't. At that time, we were all and listen, this is going to get us booted from YouTube. So be it. There was so much conversation how Trump was saying, you have to find me illegal ballots, right?

00:47:09:00 - 00:47:25:22
Unknown
That's everyone's impression of what that call is. But that's not the case. Brad Raffensperger was the top dog in the state, and that means that he is or the secretary of state. So he's the one that says, here's how our election ran, here's how it went, good or not. But he's reputation is at stake to say that the election went well.

00:47:26:02 - 00:47:44:11
Unknown
So he's denying that any of the claims that were made. And listen, a lot of the claims were B.S. Rudy Giuliani saying they're moving around suitcases of ballots or saying that, oh, we sent all the election workers home because there was a water leak. All of these stories have these small elements of truth to them. But again, they were all pretty thoroughly debunked.

00:47:44:11 - 00:48:04:23
Unknown
But they're there. There are a couple questions I'm not getting into the exact. But the point being, when you when you listen to the full phone call, it's that Brad, we've identified X, Y, and Z areas of fraud, all of which have 20 plus thousand ballots. You get to decide which one's the best for you guys. You know, all this happened.

00:48:04:23 - 00:48:24:20
Unknown
Which one do you want to reveal? Do you want to talk about the 12,000 dead voters? Do you want to talk about the 50,000 out of state voters? Do you want to talk about the illegals on your rolls? And he gave him the option. That was my interpretation of the problem. But the problem with that is he the numbers is I'm just trying to find the exact number that he was sure that's what that's where the whole thing gets debunked.

00:48:24:20 - 00:48:42:00
Unknown
Well you're not I agree that he speaks on eloquently, no question about it. But it's the method or it's the meaning, right? He's not saying you need to inject illegal ballots into the thing like they did out in Arizona. You need to find which ones you're picking up. You need to keep looking until you get to the number that I want.

00:48:42:00 - 00:49:07:08
Unknown
I mean, that is interference. Wouldn't you say that? That is right. And this was a big part of the elector scheme that happened where they're saying, oh, he had these false electors. And listen, I read the Jack script, the Jack Smith, things, the paper indictments. It's not good. It's not good. Believe me. All of the private communications, they knew that they were breaking the law at that time, though, they would refer back to 1961, in Hawaii when there was, quote unquote, legitimate election concerns.

00:49:07:08 - 00:49:23:23
Unknown
And we were allowed to investigate about that, investigate them at that time. So when I started speaking, I said, oh, we're forced to trust Brad Raffensperger. Well, how do we know to this day? Right. It's still kind of unknown whether or not that Georgia 2020 election was secure. And I'm going to have a thing. I'll edit it in here.

00:49:24:00 - 00:49:42:00
Unknown
There's a chart. It shows the number of ballots that were counted. And when you look at 2020, there's a 20 million ballot increase that happened. Where did those 20 million people go? I'm talking about how they're dejected. They don't like everybody. And some Trump voters, everybody, and say everybody in the country got their ballots sent to them. They were at home for Covid.

00:49:42:00 - 00:50:02:01
Unknown
There was a million ways to do it. I mean, Trump also got a lot of extra votes. It's not just it's not just him. I don't know, I just just to me, you know, some of the just behavior around that election, like, you know, to me, you know, the the at the end of the day, the thing that really kind of ended it for me is, you know, when he was told that Mike pence was in danger, what did he say?

00:50:02:03 - 00:50:19:14
Unknown
He literally his vice president might be, you know, in the process, may have been killed. What did he say? So what? Yeah. I can't get past that. I can't get past that. I, you know, and again I again if you line up the policies of Trump versus Biden, I a Trump like eight out of ten times. But to me as a traditional conservative character matters there.

00:50:19:14 - 00:50:38:18
Unknown
And in those kind of moments, that really kind of gives me pause. So I know, I know, that's not a popular take. And you see, why do you see why I don't really have a I don't have a I don't have a party anymore. I just don't feel like I really have a, a home. But I do love this country and I do and I do believe in it's institutions, and I do believe in injustice for all.

00:50:38:18 - 00:50:52:22
Unknown
And I think that we're closer today than we than we were, you know, 20 years ago or 50 years ago. I mean, I really am a believer in that arc of justice. Yeah. I actually sorry, Mike. One more thing. It may have actually been in our episode with you where we said something along the lines of the word statesmanship or statesman late.

00:50:53:00 - 00:51:09:00
Unknown
And is Trump still that way? And the answer I gave was no, he doesn't act that way. But actually, that's what we kind of need, right? Are every every parent will say, oh, their kid is listening to this music. It's reprehensible. We can't do it. Well, we're kind of moving in this direction where things are a little bit more free flowing.

00:51:09:00 - 00:51:26:01
Unknown
Things are a little bit less formal. You know, you're not expected to wear a, suit and tie anymore to work every day or on the airplane. So maybe moving away from that is actually not a bad thing, and it's just going to become a way that you talk to Gen Z and Jenna. So so here's what I would say about statesmanship and how important that is.

00:51:26:01 - 00:51:48:00
Unknown
If you want to be tough on China, it's not going to be the US going it alone. It's going to be through a complex trade, you know, agreement or trade system because the WTO, the World Trade Organization, it's broken. It's not doing anything. Nobody listens to it anymore, not even the US. So what's going to be the factor that, you know, you really kind of undermine China's attempts at hegemony in the region is working with all of those partners.

00:51:48:00 - 00:52:07:07
Unknown
And just an interesting article today, not to get into the weeds on policy is but, you know, China has ten or 20 to 1 diplomatic personnel in, you know, southeast Asia. So for every one, you know, US diplomatic official trying to spread the US message and build an alliance system that works against, you know, you know, China increasing its influence in the area.

00:52:07:07 - 00:52:33:00
Unknown
They have 10 to 20 individuals doing it. And they're smaller nations that they're slowly racking up that are now recognizing Beijing over Taiwan as the rightful rulers of China. And I know it seems inconsequential. And this is why people talk about like, oh, why do we spend this money on the aid? And it's just to the point of your tariffs before, if these tariffs and this protectionism worked the ones under Trump and then the now Biden you know tariffs because he kept almost all of them even sometimes 4 or 8 you know increase on them.

00:52:33:03 - 00:52:54:08
Unknown
They're not working there aren't there. You know China's actually only increasing its trade deficit with the US. So it's kind of like the statesmanship is important in one way. We Trump couldn't have been more right about NATO. You know, members needing to commit more. Now everyone's tune is kind of changing about how you really need to get to like a 2.6 or 3%, I'm sorry, a 3.6 figure, not even just a 3%, but 3.6% of GDP.

00:52:54:08 - 00:53:10:04
Unknown
To keep up with the needs of the, you know, the evolving future. So it's not that Trump isn't right. It's just kind of catch more, you know, flies with honey than you do vinegar situation. Right. That's my opinion. That's exactly right. And that's what I kind of say to my, my, my left friends is that, you know, you can't deny that Trump had real accomplishments, right?

00:53:10:04 - 00:53:35:18
Unknown
I mean, you had historic low unemployment for African-Americans in his term. You had historically low unemployment for Latinos and Latinos in his term. He was absolutely right about proprietary technology and the Chinese. He was absolutely right about that. Nobody was talking about that. He was the only one to say, we've got to really take the border seriously. You know, like like like not not not just, you know, a path to citizenship, but it is a national security threat.

00:53:35:18 - 00:53:53:07
Unknown
It's absolutely. Yeah. You know, and so the problem with Trump is that he's right a lot, you know, so so you can't just say, you know, he's a bad person and you know, he cares about money and power and women and he's a liar and he's this and that. The problem is he didn't have real achievements. The world was more peaceful.

00:53:53:18 - 00:54:10:12
Unknown
Interest rates were lower. You didn't have inflation. And so, I mean, I understand where the, where people who vote for him would say. Jeremy, you're just being an alarmist. You know, you worry too much about, you know, January 6th was. That was an anomaly. Look at the rest of it. So, I mean, I get it, and I get it.

00:54:10:13 - 00:54:26:09
Unknown
I guess I kind of, in this spirit right now of being charitable. It is the Thanksgiving and and Christmas season. So, you know, I just with Trump, you just don't know what's bullshit and you don't know what's real like. And a lot of people have said on the tariffs, he's just, you know, people who know economics will say, okay, we all know that that's crap.

00:54:26:13 - 00:54:40:04
Unknown
But he's just using it as a, as a, as a way to negotiate with other countries because he's very good at that, you know. And so, you know, maybe that's what it is. I mean, this is a guy who said he's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay. None of it happened. I mean, I so I don't know, none of us knows what's going to happen.

00:54:40:04 - 00:54:56:14
Unknown
I mean, the only thing that scares me is like some of the people who were there to keep the guardrails on in the first term are gone. Those people are gone. Even his own family, Jared, is gone and vodka is gone. You know, all of the generals are gone. And, you know, he scares me when he says, I want loyalty to me.

00:54:56:16 - 00:55:12:23
Unknown
Well, no, dude, that's not how it works. It's loyalty to the Constitution. That's the oath. And he. And you know, now you have Don junior in there. You know, he has really interesting love life, you know, and he wants personal loyalty to Trump. Can you elaborate? I have no idea what that is. He wasn't. He was he engaged?

00:55:13:20 - 00:55:34:11
Unknown
Kimberly Guilfoyle member. And she's, and he just got caught, like, you know, doodling with somebody down in Florida and me. Right? Did I get that right? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, so you just. I just don't know what that is going to do. You just. You have no idea. We really don't know. So on a positive note, I will say as a Democrat, he is our president.

00:55:34:13 - 00:55:53:07
Unknown
He won fair and square, resoundingly. You know, the message is loud and clear, and it's time for both parties to go back to the drawing board, because as we mentioned before, the Democrats have a lot of work to do, and the Republican Party has a lot of work to do to uniting. You know, around not just the entire country, but even within themselves.

00:55:53:16 - 00:56:09:08
Unknown
Well, guys, before we wrap up, I have a pitch to make to you all into the country, and I want to see if anybody is going to agree with me when I say this. I've been thinking a lot for four plus years now, studying every day. That's my person on Twitter talking about. I'm an election integrity enthusiast, as I call myself.

00:56:09:10 - 00:56:32:21
Unknown
But I've created one of the number one unhackable most secure solutions to voting. It's not software reliant. You can't move around memory cards or change things. In fact, I have it right here. This little pen, you cannot delete it, right? Paper. But actually what my real idea is I want to have a serialized ballot and when I leave, I don't get it.

00:56:32:21 - 00:56:55:00
Unknown
Just a little silly sticker. I get a little bit of information about how to create a portal to go on to the website and see, oh, look, I can enter my ballot number just like I did my parking ticket, and I can see that it was counted properly and accurately with all the selections that I chose. Because right now, when I go to a polling place and I take my ballot and I put it into a slot on the ballot box, then it's gone.

00:56:55:00 - 00:57:09:14
Unknown
And there's no way I can verify that. I'm pretty sure in some states they have that California in California has we have a QR code and we. Yeah, absolutely. You did a likewise. Yeah. I can't I can't speak for Connecticut where you are Cooper. But Florida we've got, you know, very strong mail in ballot system that I participated in an over three weeks ago.

00:57:09:14 - 00:57:27:20
Unknown
So can you verify, though, that you voted for the particular person that you voted for? I don't know. I haven't checked it now. I don't think, you know, I don't think it's like that now. I think there's a secrecy thing. Would you trust individual patchwork government agencies to host separate, you know, databases and assure you, you know, amidst this, you know, data security?

00:57:28:01 - 00:57:47:08
Unknown
Okay. But you see where I going with this? Honestly, I will, yes. Because guess what? I have my DNA genome sequence in the cloud at 23 and me, and all I need is a two factor authentication to go see it. Okay, I have my net worth and my bank account and my bitcoins all on online portals. Okay. You know, it's it's that's more sensitive to me, my medical information.

00:57:47:10 - 00:58:07:06
Unknown
We agree that there is something to be done at the voter registration level and that couldn't harm, you know, the process to make sure we get as many folks registered in, you know, who are eligible to vote as possible. Can I can I double down on a little bit, say something kind of unpopular? Probably. Yeah, I actually I mean, I know I don't like this kind of early voting.

00:58:07:06 - 00:58:27:23
Unknown
You get a whole month to do it. I think you should make Election Day a national holiday, give everybody a day off, double the double the number of polling booths, make sure that poor neighborhoods, minority neighborhoods oftentimes don't have, you know, the same number. And and if you want to do it in paper, fine. But I think we should have a day of election.

00:58:27:23 - 00:58:51:17
Unknown
I mean, like, I just kind of feel like there's something I know this sounds kind of nutty, but there's something about community, about coming together and doing something civically together in the same space at the same time. And I think this kind of radical individualism that we have in this country, we have that spread into voting, right where I can do my own ballot in my own room, and then I'm going to mail it and, and, and I get that it's, I get that it's comfortable.

00:58:51:17 - 00:59:06:13
Unknown
I get that it's convenient. Well, damn it, maybe things should be inconvenient sometimes because they're important. Having kids is damned inconvenient, right. I will I will trade in Mail-In ballots. It's a whole holiday off where we all get to do it together. I don't I'm with you. I'm with you, brother. And what is the argument? That we have too many holidays.

00:59:06:13 - 00:59:30:08
Unknown
Really? Why wouldn't they just do that? I think I think we have too many holidays, and I think that, the number of personnel it would take is huge. And, again and again, it's also it's also guys, it's a federalism issue, right? Every state runs their elections and their own way. And so it's kind of like why you can't, you know, while you're never going to be able to get rid of the electoral colleges, you'd have to like, you know, literally amend the Constitution or get all 51 states.

00:59:30:08 - 00:59:45:07
Unknown
And I can't DC in that. Mr.. I said 51, to do it together. So that's why it won't happen. Each state would have to agree to it. Puerto Rico 52 and go out Myanmar don't they vote to. No, they don't get it. They don't get electoral votes. Only. Only the 23rd amendment give DC three votes. Okay.

00:59:45:07 - 01:00:07:20
Unknown
Thank you. That's why we bring it on. Jeremy. Sorry, I don't know. We heard all about Puerto Rico leading up to it. It's pretty funny that that didn't seem to swing anything. So, now I'm surprised you weren't aware there was a whole community notes battle on Twitter about some girl being furious about the idea of Bad Bunny voting because he's Puerto Rican, not knowing that he is a citizen of a state in the 50 states.

01:00:08:00 - 01:00:26:02
Unknown
So he's eligible to vote, not just he does not disqualified simply because he's, you know, Puerto Rican, but a city, I think I think you guys are much more online than I am. I don't who's bad Bunny? Bad Bunny is the number one musical artist in the world, sir. And I've never heard one of his songs. Yeah. No no no no no I yes I'm, I'm.

01:00:26:04 - 01:00:41:12
Unknown
Yeah. No. So he's Puerto Rican amongst the, you know, Latin music. He's kind of one of the biggest names out there. Okay. I guess in the world, I, I, I'm so old, I still think of Ricky Martin. Sorry. That's like he's. I live in love, you know, maybe he's he's the new Ricky Martin. I'll put it. Okay.

01:00:41:14 - 01:01:07:17
Unknown
Okay. I've got to check out bad. That bad bunny. Bad bunny. Yeah. That we're not supporting him as fans, but he certainly exists, you know? Okay. Anyway. Hey, guys, this was a lot of fun. This was quite an adventure. The last question. I'm going to leave it before we wrap this up is, do you think over the next two months, prior to January 20th, do you think we will hear calls from the left of election interference?

01:01:07:19 - 01:01:28:12
Unknown
They burned ballot boxes in Oregon and Washington. Do you think there's going to be something that comes out where they're going to start questioning this election? I don't think so. I mean, I think when the very top of your ticket comes out within 24 hours and you make that phone call, I mean, to me, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, to me, the most basic, basic American value is the peaceful transfer of power.

01:01:28:14 - 01:01:45:00
Unknown
And if you stand in the way of that, I'm gonna have a problem with you, which is, I guess, kind of my, my kind of my hang up with Trump in 2020. And so I think when the top of the ticket says, you know what, we're going to move on. Biden already called him and said, we are going to meet soon for the peaceful transfer of power.

01:01:45:06 - 01:02:13:03
Unknown
I think Harris and Biden have behaved very nobly in the last 24 hours. So I don't think I don't think that's going to happen. So I've seen several conspiracies slowly develop and grow on Twitter, so I know what they look like when they're happening. And although there is a very small fringe movement of kind of that hacker, the infamous hacker group anonymous, and then a few others kind of pushing forward, saying that there's these millions of votes missing and it's, you know, I think just a matter a little bit of a ignorance of the process and realizing that it takes a couple days sometimes to tally millions of votes.

01:02:13:03 - 01:02:29:01
Unknown
So it's not that they're missing, they're just kind of in queue. So unfortunately, the nature of our process is going to take a few days. So I don't I don't suspect any kind of, you know, interference claims, even the whole, you know, bomb scares in the 32 locations in the Fulton County, it's not going to swing the election.

01:02:29:01 - 01:02:43:19
Unknown
You just you look at all the states and counties, and it's just not even close. Yeah. Yeah, guys. Well, in the coming weeks, we'll have to stay abreast of who gets blamed for that. I see people pointing towards Russia and China, but I have a feeling that was probably more domestic. From what side? It's hard to tell, but.

01:02:43:21 - 01:03:01:20
Unknown
Well, anyway, this was a great episode. Jeremy, you are welcome back any time, especially because you've identified yourself as conservative. Now, Mike, we'll have to make some friends on his own. But I think somebody who listens to this probably like, if I didn't say that, I don't know if people would have gotten to that conclusion, I don't know, I removed it from my bio.

01:03:01:20 - 01:03:18:12
Unknown
I'm no longer representing myself as a Republican as of a couple of months ago. We, you know, we're we're skeptical but pragmatic and open to information. I think that's the way to say it. And that's the way it be it. Now. Well, this is a this is really fun. And I know this is a really different episode than, talking about the book.

01:03:19:04 - 01:03:34:10
Unknown
So I don't know if it's what you were expecting, but it was fun. It was great fun, guys. Well, thank you very much for coming, Jeremy. We really appreciate it. And this has been elevated thoughts.